diff --git a/cave/build/static/linux/cave/cave.sh b/cave/build/static/linux/cave/cave.sh
index 7bb4f35ad9..326839a0c3 100644
--- a/cave/build/static/linux/cave/cave.sh
+++ b/cave/build/static/linux/cave/cave.sh
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
 # Jan 30, 2014  #2593     bclement    warns based on memory usage, fixed for INI files with spaces
 # Jul 10, 2014  #3363     bclement    logs command used to launch application to console logs
 # Oct 10, 2014  #3675     njensen     Logback now does console logging to ensure correct pid 
+# Oct 13, 2014  #3675     bclement    startup shutdown log includes both launching pid and placeholder
 #
 #
 
@@ -211,7 +212,9 @@ curTime=`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`
 (
   export pid=`/bin/bash -c 'echo $PPID'`
 
-  LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${curTime}_pid_${pid}_startup-shutdown.log"
+  # we include the PID of the launching process along with
+  # a %PID% placeholder to be replaced with the "real" PID
+  LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${pid}_${curTime}_pid_%PID%_startup-shutdown.log"
   export LOGFILE_CAVE="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${curTime}_pid_%PID%_logs.log"
   export LOGFILE_CONSOLE="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${curTime}_pid_%PID%_console.log"
   export LOGFILE_PERFORMANCE="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${curTime}_pid_%PID%_perf.log"
@@ -245,9 +248,6 @@ curTime=`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`
 
   echo "Launching cave application using the following command: " >> ${LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN}
   echo "${CAVE_INSTALL}/cave ${CAVE_INI_ARG} ${SWITCHES} ${USER_ARGS[@]}" >> ${LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN}
-  # TODO would be cool if we spawned another process to figure out the pid of
-  # the actual cave java process and logged that to the startup file to make it
-  # easier to correlate a startup log to the other cave logs
 
   if [[ "${redirect}" == "true" ]] ; then
      # send output to /dev/null because the logback CaveConsoleAppender will capture that output 
@@ -259,7 +259,7 @@ curTime=`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`
 ) &
 
 pid=$!
-LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${curTime}_pid_${pid}_startup-shutdown.log"
+LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN="${LOGDIR}/${PROGRAM_NAME}_${pid}_${curTime}_pid_%PID%_startup-shutdown.log"
 logExitStatus $pid $LOGFILE_STARTUP_SHUTDOWN
 
 
diff --git a/cave/build/static/linux/cave/caveUtil.sh b/cave/build/static/linux/cave/caveUtil.sh
index 0a3e7ea12a..2630114137 100644
--- a/cave/build/static/linux/cave/caveUtil.sh
+++ b/cave/build/static/linux/cave/caveUtil.sh
@@ -36,6 +36,7 @@
 # Jul 02, 2014  #3245     bclement    account for memory override in vm arguments
 # Jul 10, 2014  #3363     bclement    fixed precedence order for ini file lookup
 # Jul 11, 2014  #3371     bclement    added killSpawn()
+# Oct 13, 2014  #3675     bclement    logExitStatus() waits for child to start and renames log with child PID 
 
 
 source /awips2/cave/iniLookup.sh
@@ -330,6 +331,14 @@ function logExitStatus()
    logFile=$2
    
    trap 'killSpawn $pid' SIGHUP SIGINT SIGQUIT SIGTERM
+   
+   childPid=$(waitForChildToStart $pid)
+   if [[ -n $childPid ]]
+   then 
+       newFileName=${logFile/\%PID\%/$childPid}
+       mv $logFile $newFileName
+       logFile=$newFileName
+   fi
    wait $pid
    exitCode=$?
    curTime=`date --rfc-3339=seconds`
@@ -348,6 +357,24 @@ function logExitStatus()
    fi
 }
 
+# takes in a PID
+# waits for PID to spawn child
+# outputs the PID of the child or nothing if PID exits first
+function waitForChildToStart()
+{
+    pid=$1
+    # check if PID is still running
+    while ps -p $pid > /dev/null
+    do
+        sleep 1s
+        if child=$(pgrep -P $pid)
+        then
+            echo $child
+            break
+        fi
+    done
+}
+
 #Delete old CAVE logs DR 15348
 function deleteOldCaveLogs() 
 {
diff --git a/edexOsgi/com.raytheon.uf.tools.cli/impl/capture b/edexOsgi/com.raytheon.uf.tools.cli/impl/capture
index 1628567b44..48d0d21eec 100644
--- a/edexOsgi/com.raytheon.uf.tools.cli/impl/capture
+++ b/edexOsgi/com.raytheon.uf.tools.cli/impl/capture
@@ -718,8 +718,8 @@ if [ "${GRAB_CAVE_AND_ALERTVIZ_LOGS}" == "y" ]; then
       echo "${t1}: Capturing cave logs" >> $processFile
       mkdir -p ${dataPath}/consoleLogs
       if [ ! -z ${cavePid} ]; then
-         # logs have cave executable pid in the name, not worker pid
-         find $dir  -type f -name "*$(determineCaveProcess ${cavePid})*" -exec cp {} ${dataPath}/consoleLogs \;
+         # logs have cave executable pid or worker pid in the name (-o means OR)
+         find $dir  -type f -name "*$(determineCaveProcess ${cavePid})*" -o -name "*${cavePid}*" -exec cp {} ${dataPath}/consoleLogs \;
       else
          find $dir  -type f -mmin -120 -exec cp {} ${dataPath}/consoleLogs \;
       fi